Games
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■ Tritely
■ Soccer
army value
■ Tritely
■ Soccer
economy
Play-by-play (49 lines)
0:10 Soccer spawns at s4 in Purple while Tritely spawns at s1 in Teal.Soccer in Purple at s4. Tritely in Teal at s1. The map is set.
0:41 Tritely opens 12 Pool against Soccer's 14 CC.The builds are down: 14 CC from Soccer, 12 Pool from Tritely.
— The early game —
1:22 Soccer places down a command center.Quietly, Soccer adds a base. These are the moves that decide long games.
1:34 Tritely places down a hatchery.More workers, more money: Tritely expands.
2:08 Soccer feels confident with his marines and decides to push out.No patience from Soccer: the first units are already marching.
🎙 Nothing between them. One engagement could decide it.
2:47 Tritely starts pushing across the map.No more waiting. Tritely pushes.
3:18 As both armies meet, they soon start exchanging fires!Contact in the middle of the map. Everything is committed.
4:00 Soccer failed to kill off Tritely's defending zerglings.Soccer's early gamble buys nothing — Tritely's defense was already in place.
4:17 It seems that Soccer only managed to destroy less than half of Tritely's army.Soccer clips Tritely's army — real damage, but Tritely fights on.
4:44 It seems that Tritely only managed to destroy less than half of Soccer's army.Tritely clips Soccer's army — real damage, but Soccer fights on.
5:26 Soccer starts pushing out with his marines.No patience from Soccer: the first units are already marching.
6:00 Tritely is putting early pressure with his zerglings.No patience from Tritely: the first units are already marching.
6:28 Soccer places down a command center.Soccer takes another base — the economy widens.
6:57 Tritely places down a hatchery.Tritely plants a new base and dares his opponent to punish it.
🎙 Even footing again — the tension builds.
7:32 Both armies meet at the center of the map and start attacking.The dance is over. They fight.
7:57 With some nice micro, Tritely successfully defend against Soccer's marines.Tritely holds the early rush without blinking.
8:28 After that battle, Tritely still has most of his army with him.A cheap fight for Soccer — the losses are light.
9:02 Soccer has lost about half of his army in that battle.Tritely pays for that trade with about half his army.
9:31 Currently, neither Soccer nor Tritely appears to be leading in economy.The economies mirror one another. Nothing between Soccer and Tritely yet.
10:12 Soccer decides to start pushing across the map.No more waiting. Soccer pushes.
10:30 Tritely's zerglings are pushing out!Tritely goes early — pressure before either side is ready.
11:10 As both armies meet, they soon start exchanging fires!Both players push to the middle of the map, and a large fight breaks out.
11:38 The battle outcome favors Tritely as Soccer's armies melt into Tritely's armies' weapon fire!A clean, brutal win for Tritely. The push continues.
🎙 Slight advantage Tritely as the game develops.
12:20 About half of Soccer's army has been decimated in that battle.Tritely pays for that trade with about half his army.
12:50 With excellent skills and micro, Tritely managed to fend off Soccer while losing less than half of his army.Soccer keeps most of his army intact through the exchange.
13:12 Tritely shot down Soccer's command center.Tritely finds the weak point and Soccer's new base is gone.
13:48 Soccer places down a command center.Soccer plants a new base and dares his opponent to punish it.
14:29 Tritely's zerglings are pushing out!Tritely goes early — pressure before either side is ready.
14:45 Tritely places down a hatchery.More workers, more money: Tritely expands.
15:31 Both armies meet at the center of the map and start attacking.Both players push to the middle of the map, and a large fight breaks out.
15:51 Mismicro from Soccer gave opportunity to Tritely! Tritely is still pushing and putting pressure with his zerglings!Soccer wasn't ready. Tritely's early aggression takes the lead.
16:30 Soccer has lost about half of his army in that battle.Half of Tritely's force stays on that battlefield.
🎙 Tritely's force dwarfs what Soccer has left on the field.
17:08 Losing only less than half of his army, Tritely seems to be fine.Soccer keeps most of his army intact through the exchange.
17:38 Soccer places down a command center.Soccer takes another base — the economy widens.
17:59 Unwilling to make the game too long, Tritely starts moving out.Tritely has seen enough — the army moves out.
18:39 The two armies clash and a large battle starts to happen!Both players push to the middle of the map, and a large fight breaks out.
— The mid game —
18:54 Tritely is attacking with lurker-lings and mutalisks! Soccer's armies melt in the attack.The mid-game push crashes through — Tritely breaks Soccer's position.
19:41 About half of Soccer's army has been decimated in that battle.Tritely pays for that trade with about half his army.
— The late game —
20:08 It seems that Soccer only managed to destroy less than half of Tritely's army.Soccer takes a bite out of Tritely's force and backs off.
20:35 Tritely brings his speedlings and lurkers out of his base!Tritely hits the timing — this push arrives exactly when it hurts.
21:14 Soccer having no armies left to defend, has no choice but to tap out.Soccer GGs. A hard-fought game comes to its end.
Soccer taps out. Tritely's mid game was simply better.
■ Propagator
■ Wetness
army value
■ Propagator
■ Wetness
economy
Play-by-play (85 lines)
0:09 Propagator spawns at s4 in Green while Wetness spawns at s3 in White.Propagator takes s4 in Green; Wetness settles in at s3 in White.
0:37 Propagator gets 2 Fact Vulture against Wetness's 14 Nexus.The builds are down: 2 Fact Vulture from Propagator, 14 Nexus from Wetness.
— The early game —
1:09 Propagator places down a command center.Quietly, Propagator adds a base. These are the moves that decide long games.
1:20 Wetness warps in a nexus.More workers, more money: Wetness expands.
1:52 Propagator moves out with his armies.Propagator has seen enough — the army moves out.
🎙 The armies trade evenly; this one is still anyone's game.
2:32 Wetness is putting on early pressure with his dragoon.Wetness tests the door early. Is anyone home?
2:56 It seems like Propagator has more units than Wetness!Propagator's army is visibly the bigger one — Wetness should not take this fight.
3:18 The two armies meet and a large battle starts to engage!Both players push to the middle of the map, and a large fight breaks out.
3:42 Wetness fends off Propagator's marines with his dragoons.Wetness holds the early rush without blinking.
4:17 With excellent skills and micro, Wetness managed to fend off Propagator while losing less than half of his army.A cheap fight for Propagator — the losses are light.
4:27 Losing only less than half of his army, Propagator seems to be fine.Wetness keeps most of his army intact through the exchange.
4:54 Propagator decides to put on early pressure on his opponent by bringing out his marines.Propagator tests the door early. Is anyone home?
5:29 Wetness decides to put some pressure on his opponent.Here it comes: Wetness crosses the map with everything.
5:57 Propagator places down a command center.More workers, more money: Propagator expands.
🎙 Nothing between them. One engagement could decide it.
6:26 Wetness warps in a nexus.Wetness plants a new base and dares his opponent to punish it.
6:40 The two armies meet and a large battle starts to engage!Both players push to the middle of the map, and a large fight breaks out.
7:25 Wetness failed to kill off Propagator's defending marines.Propagator holds the early rush without blinking.
7:42 After that battle, Propagator still has most of his army with him.A cheap fight for Wetness — the losses are light.
8:06 With excellent skills and micro, Wetness managed to fend off Propagator while losing less than half of his army.Propagator keeps most of his army intact through the exchange.
8:39 Propagator figures he has enough vultures to put on early pressure on his opponent so he decides to push out.Propagator goes early — pressure before either side is ready.
9:02 Wetness starts pushing across the map.Wetness tightens the formation and starts the long walk.
9:29 Both armies meet at the center of the map and start attacking.Both players push to the middle of the map, and a large fight breaks out.
10:05 Wetness failed to kill off Propagator's defending marines.Propagator holds the early rush without blinking.
🎙 Even footing again — the tension builds.
10:32 It seems that Wetness only managed to destroy less than half of Propagator's army.Wetness takes a bite out of Propagator's force and backs off.
10:52 After that battle, Wetness still has most of his army with him.Propagator keeps most of his army intact through the exchange.
11:25 Propagator bravely pushes out with his marines and vultures.Propagator tests the door early. Is anyone home?
11:41 Wetness decides to push out with his dragoon.Wetness tests the door early. Is anyone home?
12:03 Propagator places down a command center.Quietly, Propagator adds a base. These are the moves that decide long games.
12:31 Wetness warps in a nexus.Wetness plants a new base and dares his opponent to punish it.
13:04 The two armies meet and a large battle starts to engage!Both players push to the middle of the map, and a large fight breaks out.
13:31 Wetness kills off Propagator's armies and continues pushing!A clean, brutal win for Wetness. The push continues.
14:03 After that battle, Propagator still has most of his army with him.Wetness keeps most of his army intact through the exchange.
🎙 Dead even — neither player has found the edge yet.
14:23 After that battle, Wetness still has most of his army with him.Propagator keeps most of his army intact through the exchange.
14:50 Wetness appears to have more army than Propagator!Count the units: Wetness has the edge over Propagator right now.
— The mid game —
15:13 Wetness has a large number of dragoons and is starting to push out!Wetness hits the timing — this push arrives exactly when it hurts.
15:50 As both armies meet, they soon start exchanging fires!Contact in the middle of the map. Everything is committed.
16:05 Wetness avoided some mines beautifully, and comes to deal with Propagator's main army! Wetness destroys them all!The mid-game push crashes through — Wetness breaks Propagator's position.
16:44 After that battle, Propagator still has most of his army with him.A cheap fight for Wetness — the losses are light.
16:55 It seems that Propagator only managed to destroy less than half of Wetness's army.Propagator clips Wetness's army — real damage, but Wetness fights on.
17:37 Propagator tried to drop some marines but they were cleared off by Wetness.The sneak attack is sniffed out — Wetness shuts the door on Propagator.
17:59 Propagator's cloaked wraith did not do much to Wetness's economy.Propagator goes for the raid — Wetness is ready, and nothing comes of it.
🎙 The scales tip toward Wetness — a lead, but not a safe one.
18:20 Wetness decides to start pushing across the map.Wetness tightens the formation and starts the long walk.
18:51 Propagator places down a command center.Propagator plants a new base and dares his opponent to punish it.
19:17 Wetness warps in a nexus.Wetness takes another base — the economy widens.
19:40 As both armies meet, they soon start exchanging fires!Here it comes: two full armies, one engagement.
20:00 Propagator's sieged tanks saved the day! Wetness's dragoons had to back off.Propagator absorbs the mid-game push — Wetness gained nothing for the cost.
20:43 Losing only less than half of his army, Propagator seems to be fine.Wetness keeps most of his army intact through the exchange.
21:13 Losing only less than half of his army, Wetness seems to be fine.Propagator keeps most of his army intact through the exchange.
21:21 Propagator dropped some marines into Wetness's mineral line!Propagator gets into Wetness's mineral line — workers are dying.
21:54 Wetness has a large number of dragoons and is starting to push out!Wetness hits the timing — this push arrives exactly when it hurts.
🎙 Propagator is a step behind and knows it.
22:19 Both armies meet at the center of the map and start attacking.Here it comes: two full armies, one engagement.
22:41 Propagator failed to place his tanks nicely and was caught completely off-guarded, Wetness cleans up and continues pushing!Propagator's defense bends, then snaps. Wetness takes the middle of the game.
23:11 After that battle, Propagator still has most of his army with him.Wetness keeps most of his army intact through the exchange.
23:45 After that battle, Wetness still has most of his army with him.Propagator keeps most of his army intact through the exchange.
— The late game —
24:06 Wetness brings his speedlots and dragoons to pressure his opponent.Wetness hits the timing — this push arrives exactly when it hurts.
24:44 Propagator is in quite a huge army disadvantage, he doesn't have what it takes to win against Wetness's army.Propagator is badly outgunned — Wetness's force is a size larger.
24:57 Propagator places down a command center.Propagator plants a new base and dares his opponent to punish it.
25:31 Wetness decides to expand.Wetness takes another base — the economy widens.
25:55 The battle to decide the game begins!Here it comes: two full armies, one engagement.
🎙 Wetness edges ahead on army strength.
26:29 Propagator did not have enough tanks to deal with Wetness! Wetness sliced through Propagator!Propagator's defense bends, then snaps. Wetness takes the middle of the game.
26:42 With excellent skills and micro, Propagator managed to fend off Wetness while losing less than half of his army.A cheap fight for Wetness — the losses are light.
27:09 After that battle, Wetness still has most of his army with him.A cheap fight for Propagator — the losses are light.
27:50 Wetness has a large number of dragoons and is starting to push out!The composition is ready; Wetness starts the push.
28:16 The two armies clash and a large battle starts to happen!Both players push to the middle of the map, and a large fight breaks out.
28:46 Wetness kills off Propagator's armies and continues pushing!A clean, brutal win for Wetness. The push continues.
29:01 With excellent skills and micro, Propagator managed to fend off Wetness while losing less than half of his army.Wetness keeps most of his army intact through the exchange.
29:29 Losing only less than half of his army, Wetness seems to be fine.Propagator keeps most of his army intact through the exchange.
29:48 Wetness decides to put some pressure on his opponent.Here it comes: Wetness crosses the map with everything.
🎙 Wetness edges ahead on army strength.
30:17 Both armies meet at the center of the map and start attacking.The dance is over. They fight.
30:56 Wetness's dragoons dealt with Propagator's vultures where zealots dealt with tanks, the outcome seems to favor Wetness!The mid-game push crashes through — Wetness breaks Propagator's position.
31:22 Wetness destroyed about half of Propagator's army after that battle.Wetness cuts Propagator's army in half.
31:35 With excellent skills and micro, Wetness managed to fend off Propagator while losing less than half of his army.Propagator keeps most of his army intact through the exchange.
32:17 Unwilling to suffer further harassment, Propagator taps out!That's it. Propagator looks at the field one last time and concedes.
Propagator taps out. Wetness's mid game was simply better.
■ Immersed
■ Willis
army value
■ Immersed
■ Willis
economy
Play-by-play (57 lines)
0:07 Willis spawns at s2 in Yellow while Immersed spawns at s1 in White.Cross positions or close ones, it starts here: Willis at s2, Immersed at s1.
0:34 Immersed opens Siege Expand against Willis's 14 Nexus.Willis commits to 14 Nexus; Immersed answers with Siege Expand.
— The early game —
1:03 Willis warps in a nexus.Willis plants a new base and dares his opponent to punish it.
1:45 Immersed places down a command center.Immersed takes another base — the economy widens.
2:08 Willis is putting on early pressure with his dragoon.Willis tests the door early. Is anyone home?
🎙 The armies trade evenly; this one is still anyone's game.
2:45 Immersed bravely pushes out with his marines and vultures.No patience from Immersed: the first units are already marching.
3:15 The two armies clash and a large battle starts to happen!Neither side backs off — the battle is joined.
3:54 With really nice micro, Immersed kills off Willis's dragoons.Willis wasn't ready. Immersed's early aggression takes the lead.
4:19 After that battle, Willis still has most of his army with him.A cheap fight for Immersed — the losses are light.
4:48 Losing only less than half of his army, Immersed seems to be fine.A cheap fight for Willis — the losses are light.
5:11 Willis warps in a nexus.Quietly, Willis adds a base. These are the moves that decide long games.
5:53 Immersed places down a command center.More workers, more money: Immersed expands.
6:16 Willis decides to push out with his dragoon.Willis goes early — pressure before either side is ready.
6:43 Attempting to end the game, Immersed moves out with his armies.Immersed has seen enough — the army moves out.
🎙 Dead even — neither player has found the edge yet.
7:11 As both armies meet, they soon start exchanging fires!Neither side backs off — the battle is joined.
7:56 Immersed successfully kills off Willis's dragoons with nice marine micro.Willis wasn't ready. Immersed's early aggression takes the lead.
8:22 With excellent skills and micro, Willis managed to fend off Immersed while losing less than half of his army.A cheap fight for Immersed — the losses are light.
9:00 Losing only less than half of his army, Immersed seems to be fine.A cheap fight for Willis — the losses are light.
9:25 Willis is pushing out with his dragoons.Willis goes early — pressure before either side is ready.
9:52 Immersed decides to put on early pressure on his opponent by bringing out his marines.Immersed goes early — pressure before either side is ready.
10:24 Willis's army is small compared to Immersed!Willis needs production, fast; Immersed's army has outgrown his.
10:56 The two armies meet and a large battle starts to engage!The armies collide — this is the fight both of them wanted.
11:23 Willis failed to kill off Immersed's defending marines.Willis's early gamble buys nothing — Immersed's defense was already in place.
🎙 The armies trade evenly; this one is still anyone's game.
11:45 Losing only less than half of his army, Immersed seems to be fine.A cheap fight for Willis — the losses are light.
12:21 With excellent skills and micro, Willis managed to fend off Immersed while losing less than half of his army.Immersed keeps most of his army intact through the exchange.
13:04 Willis warps in a nexus.Quietly, Willis adds a base. These are the moves that decide long games.
13:20 Immersed places down a command center.More workers, more money: Immersed expands.
13:56 Immersed starts pushing across the map.Immersed tightens the formation and starts the long walk.
14:28 Both armies meet at the center of the map and start attacking.The armies collide — this is the fight both of them wanted.
15:07 Immersed successfully kills off Willis's dragoons with nice marine micro.Willis wasn't ready. Immersed's early aggression takes the lead.
15:29 After that battle, Willis still has most of his army with him.Immersed keeps most of his army intact through the exchange.
16:00 It seems that Willis only managed to destroy less than half of Immersed's army.Willis takes a bite out of Immersed's force and backs off.
🎙 The scales tip toward Immersed — a lead, but not a safe one.
— The mid game —
16:34 Immersed's vulture-tank ball is getting large, and it starts to roll out of the base!The composition is ready; Immersed starts the push.
17:07 Willis warps in a nexus.Quietly, Willis adds a base. These are the moves that decide long games.
17:40 Immersed places down a command center.Immersed takes another base — the economy widens.
17:58 As both armies meet, they soon start exchanging fires!The armies collide — this is the fight both of them wanted.
— The late game —
18:38 Tank placement and mine placement are equally important! Immersed abuses his placement advantage to the limit and cuts through Willis's army!The mid-game push crashes through — Immersed breaks Willis's position.
18:58 About half of Willis's army has been decimated in that battle.Half of Immersed's force stays on that battlefield.
19:34 After that battle, Immersed still has most of his army with him.Willis keeps most of his army intact through the exchange.
20:13 Immersed's vulture-tank ball is getting large, and it starts to roll out of the base!Immersed hits the timing — this push arrives exactly when it hurts.
20:35 The two armies meet and a large battle starts to engage!Neither side backs off — the battle is joined.
🎙 Immersed holds the stronger army for now.
21:02 Immersed shows off his excellent vulture control by surrounding Willis's dragoons with mines. Willis is forced to retreat, but a few dragoons get caught up in the mines, while Immersed's tanks finish off the rest!The mid-game push crashes through — Immersed breaks Willis's position.
21:42 About half of Willis's army has been decimated in that battle.Half of Immersed's force stays on that battlefield.
22:16 Losing only less than half of his army, Immersed seems to be fine.A cheap fight for Willis — the losses are light.
22:43 Immersed destroys Willis's nexus, denying expansions.No reinforcements in time: Willis watches Immersed level the expansion.
23:18 Willis casts some storm! But Immersed lost no workers.Willis goes for the raid — Immersed is ready, and nothing comes of it.
23:40 Immersed's vulture-tank ball is getting large, and it starts to roll out of the base!The composition is ready; Immersed starts the push.
24:09 Unwilling to suffer further harassment, Willis taps out!Nothing left to defend with — Willis taps.
Immersed takes it — the mid game decided this one.
■ Phallic
■ Arthritis
army value
■ Phallic
■ Arthritis
economy
Play-by-play (51 lines)
0:07 Phallic spawns in Green at s2 while Arthritis spawns in Orange at s1.We're underway — Phallic spawns at s2, Arthritis answers from s1.
0:51 Arthritis opens Overpool against Phallic's 12 Hatch.Phallic commits to 12 Hatch; Arthritis answers with Overpool.
— The early game —
1:24 Phallic places down a hatchery.Phallic plants a new base and dares his opponent to punish it.
1:51 Arthritis desperate in getting his economy pumped up, expands to another location.Arthritis takes another base — the economy widens.
2:08 Phallic pushes out with his zerglings! It appears that these zerglings have speed upgrade!Phallic tests the door early. Is anyone home?
🎙 Nothing between them. One engagement could decide it.
2:55 Arthritis decides to start pushing across the map.Here it comes: Arthritis crosses the map with everything.
3:31 The two armies clash and a large battle starts to happen!The armies collide — this is the fight both of them wanted.
3:49 Phallic failed to kill off Arthritis's defending zerglings.Phallic's early gamble buys nothing — Arthritis's defense was already in place.
4:29 After that battle, Arthritis still has most of his army with him.A cheap fight for Phallic — the losses are light.
4:58 About half of Phallic's army has been decimated in that battle.Arthritis pays for that trade with about half his army.
5:31 Phallic is bringing his speedlings out for a walk and maybe decide to kill the enemy zerglings on the way.No patience from Phallic: the first units are already marching.
6:10 Phallic places down a hatchery.Phallic plants a new base and dares his opponent to punish it.
6:36 Arthritis places down a hatchery.Arthritis takes another base — the economy widens.
7:10 The battle to decide the game begins!Both players push to the middle of the map, and a large fight breaks out.
🎙 The armies trade evenly; this one is still anyone's game.
7:41 All of a sudden, Arthritis has no armies left while Phallic is continuing to push across the map!A clean, brutal win for Phallic. The push continues.
8:18 About half of Arthritis's army has been decimated in that battle.Phallic pays for that trade with about half his army.
8:39 Arthritis destroyed less army than he should, only less than half of Phallic's army has been decimated.Arthritis takes a bite out of Phallic's force and backs off.
9:08 Arthritis pushes out with his zerglings! It appears that these zerglings have speed upgrade!Arthritis goes early — pressure before either side is ready.
— The mid game —
9:51 Arthritis must macro up quickly or Phallic will just roll him over!Arthritis is badly outgunned — Phallic's force is a size larger.
10:14 As both armies meet, they soon start exchanging fires!The dance is over. They fight.
10:57 Arthritis failed to break Phallic's zergling line of defense.Arthritis's early gamble buys nothing — Phallic's defense was already in place.
11:24 After that battle, Phallic still has most of his army with him.A cheap fight for Arthritis — the losses are light.
12:01 Arthritis lost about half of his army in that battle.Phallic pays for that trade with about half his army.
🎙 The scales tip toward Phallic — a lead, but not a safe one.
12:33 Eager to end the game, Phallic moves out with his armies.Here it comes: Phallic crosses the map with everything.
12:58 The battle to decide the game begins!The dance is over. They fight.
13:40 Phallic with more superior zergling control outpowers Arthritis!Arthritis wasn't ready. Phallic's early aggression takes the lead.
14:15 Phallic destroyed about half of Arthritis's army after that battle.Phallic cuts Arthritis's army in half.
14:35 After that battle, Phallic still has most of his army with him.Arthritis keeps most of his army intact through the exchange.
15:05 Phallic pushes out with his zerglings! It appears that these zerglings have speed upgrade!No patience from Phallic: the first units are already marching.
15:38 The battle to decide the game begins!The armies collide — this is the fight both of them wanted.
16:07 With really nice micro, Phallic kills off Arthritis's zerglings.Arthritis wasn't ready. Phallic's early aggression takes the lead.
🎙 Phallic's force dwarfs what Arthritis has left on the field.
— The late game —
16:41 Arthritis lost more than half of his army in that battle.That fight gutted Phallic — more than half the force is gone.
17:23 With excellent skills and micro, Phallic managed to fend off Arthritis while losing less than half of his army.Arthritis keeps most of his army intact through the exchange.
17:56 Phallic's speedlings rapidly push out across the map.No patience from Phallic: the first units are already marching.
18:19 Phallic's number of expansions are equal to Arthritis's.Base for base, they're level — Phallic and Arthritis match each other.
19:03 Phallic places down a hatchery.More workers, more money: Phallic expands.
19:35 Arthritis decides to expand.Quietly, Arthritis adds a base. These are the moves that decide long games.
19:51 The two armies clash and a large battle starts to happen!The armies collide — this is the fight both of them wanted.
20:34 Arthritis lost all his zerglings to Phallic!Arthritis wasn't ready. Phallic's early aggression takes the lead.
21:15 Arthritis lost more than half of his army in that battle.That fight gutted Phallic — more than half the force is gone.
🎙 The armies are no longer comparable: Phallic is far ahead.
21:37 After that battle, Phallic still has most of his army with him.A cheap fight for Arthritis — the losses are light.
22:11 After suffering a devastating loss in the battle, Arthritis GGs!That's it. Arthritis looks at the field one last time and concedes.
GG. Phallic closes it out over Arthritis.
Head to head
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